Talk:The Sound of Music

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To 62.60.53.50, I accept that I had it wrong about the film and the orange crate error. ( I wrote it nbefore I joined the wikipedia 'crew') However, I felt that your wording about Israel was not NPOV enough. I reworded it accordingly. No anti-Israel message is intended. - Arno—Preceding unsigned comment added by Arno (talk • contribs) 10:51, 18 September 2002 (UTC)[reply]

Did Austria even have a navy at the time of the alleged events depicted in the story?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.149.235.254 (talk) 21:47, 5 March 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Georg Ritter von Trapp served in the navy of Austria-Hungary during World War One. The old empire had a coastline on the eastern Adriatic which included what are now Slovenia, Croatia, and Dalmatia. knoodelhed 11:58, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

the sound of music

the sound of music is a great movie. it is a great movie to people who are into music. it is a bit like marry poppins but has its own storie line. it is such along movie so you will have to be prepared to sit for along time and be able to what it. it took me a while to get into the story line but i soon did. i think any age can watch it from young children to old adult.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.151.32.40 (talk) 15:43, 28 June 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The sound of Music is a Great movie. It's can teach you alot. But If you are wanting to do a project on " The sound of Music here is the Producers cause It took me forever to find. Leland Hayward and Richard Halliday. I think that rest of your info. is in the rest. So good luck!—Preceding unsigned comment added by Rojomoke (talk • contribs) 15:34, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The "Trivia" section ...

... has become a bit tiresome to read, there seems to be no structure whatsoever, and several passages can no longer be understood by the average reader. Could I ask those of you who know what this is all about to improve those passages?

(1) What's all that about a "sausage factory"?
(2) Why are the names of the von Trapp children mentioned here, in the Trivia section?
(3) I don't understand a single word of the final paragraph. Why is this mentioned here at all? <K F> 19:58, September 4, 2005 (UTC)
I share your sentiment with regards to the trivia section. I think it might be better if the following was added to the section that describes the movie as it directly relates to the description of the movie:

In 2001 the United States Library of Congress deemed the film "culturally significant" and selected it for preservation in the National Film Registry.

According to boxofficemojo, the film ranks third in both all-time number of tickets sold (142,415,400) and in gross adjusted for inflation ($911,458,400) in North America (behind Gone with the Wind and Star Wars) Combine this with its success around the world in sales of tickets, videocassettes, laserdiscs, DVDs and its frequent airings on television, it is called "the most widely seen movie produced by a Hollywood studio" by Amazon.uk

I wouldn't really consider that "trivial" information.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.188.3.200 (talk) 17:36, 19 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I don't agree with the statement:

In fact, the musical itself is virtually unknown in the country, except in backpacker's hostels in Salzburg, where it is screened daily on DVD.

When I traveled throughout western Austria (Salzburg, Innsbruck, ... etc.) in 1983, everyone I met liked The Sound Of Music very much. I never asked anyone about the edelweiss tune, but I doubt anyone could object to it. I submit that the whole first bullet under "Trivia" is either exagerated or too nit-picky.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.139.238.47 (talk) 01:30, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

A little anecdote, hardly representative, but perhaps amusing: A few years ago, some German colleagues (not Austrian, but from both ends of Germany), came to the USA for a meeting. We went to a German restaurant where an accordionist wandered about the room, taking requests. One request was "Edelweiss". My German colleagues had never heard it before. Then he played "Yesterday". That, they knew. Wahkeenah 03:31, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding Richard Rodgers' "sausage factory" comment, it was his way of saying that the film is noticeably high-quality from the get-go, as compared with a lot of the presumed "assembly line" kind of product that Hollywood generated then (and still does). I'd have thought that was clear. Perhaps I need to explain his comment for those who don't get it? Wahkeenah 03:31, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'll add something to my comment above (about the popularity of The Sound Of Music and the tune edelweiss) that might or might not be pertinent. When I was in the haufbrau house in Munich, they asked the various people at tables where they were from and announced through a mike each group's nationality while playing the corresponding national anthem. For the USA they played "America The Beautiful" lol. And oddly enough most Germans I brought it up to consider that to be the USA national anthem. From my googling around, it appears to be the case that Hammerstein made up the edelweiss song and that it certainly was never a national anthem for any place. I wonder why it is so strongly implied to be a regional folk tune in the movie? I was surprised by my google results. So *that* part (about edelweiss) should probably be kept - and maybe even expanded on.

Regarding the rest of my comment, I recall that the subject of The Sound Of Music really only came up around Salzburg when I was visiting the various places where the movie was filmed. And so my experience was probably highly biased.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.139.238.47 (talk) 07:29, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I was just coming here to say that the trivia section is too long. If no-one objects I will strip out some of the really trivial trivia.

I also think we should remove the statement about Reagan playing Edelweiss, as a) it's exactly the sort of story that gets repeated without being fact-checked b) the White House has whole departments for researching national anthems of visiting dignitaries, and don't rely on the memories of their presidents. DJ Clayworth 15:04, 24 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I support the criticisms of the trivia section here. Is the fact that Gwen Sefani used the movie as a basis for her music video really something people need to know who are interested in the Sound of Music musical? I mean, who put that in there, her publicist? One might as well link to her in the article of the Sistine Chapel with the comment that she visited there once.

Stephanis music video really isn't relevant to the topic. She didnt contribute anything to the Sound of Music musical or its legacy. Moreover, this article is about the musical performances, not the movie, and a comment about her sampling of a Sound of Music song appears in the trivia on the film article as well. Her butchering of the delightful R&H tune is something like spray painting a mustache on the Mona Lisa. LuckyDan 12:50, 25 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ditto with the Family Guy comment. A tricycle running over Julie Andrews in the cartoon is not relevant. Its not even good satire. LuckyDan 13:02, 25 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

WHat kind of style is the SOund of Music?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.238.1.22 (talk) 21:48, 15 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Of course all of this is completely unverified and unrepresentative original research, but as an actual authentic German I'd like to chime in: I had never heard of The Sound of Music until I came to the US, and I'd even consider myself a bit of a movie buff... Never heard of any of the songs, never heard the name "Von Trapp" (von, by the way, starts with an "f" sound rather than a "v"). That said I don't live anywhere close to Austria, but the word is that the Austrians, completely oblivious, found out about TSoM when all the American tourists started showing up... 87.78.3.205 (talk) 04:03, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The reason the Austrians never heard about the story: the movie is a highly fictionalized version of the family's story and bears little resemblance to reality. Maria was the financial and economic head of the family, and she was desparate to come up with money. She tried various story lines, and finally hit upon this one, both to write the book, and to inspire the movie. For an example of a family story line that did NOT work, see the December 19, 1938, issue of TIME magazine ("Music: Family Choir"), in which the claim is made that Maria was the captain's first wife and the mother of all seven children. Of course, all anyone had to do was look at them, and you would know she was not. Maria was 33 in 1938, and the oldest child was 27. So, then she hatched a new story line. Probably just as phony as the first one. John Paul Parks (talk) 21:44, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Song Listing

How about one?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.131.199.150 (talk) 02:13, 6 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

What's stopping you? Wahkeenah 03:35, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The list of songs looks like it's from the film, not the show. Can anyone check? Bluewave 10:42, 30 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Intersting LP Album

I seem to have an Intersting LP Album for the Sound of Music that does not seem to correspond to any of the versions listed in the Article...

It lists the cast as:

Maria Rainer (Maria) ... Adele Leigh (Who Isnt in Wikipedia Article and google dosent seen to dinf much about her)
Captain von Trapp ... Ian Wallace
Max Detweiler .. Willain Dickie
Rolf Gruber ... Peter Gilmore
The Mother Abbess: Patrica Johnson
Elsa Schrader ... Maggie Fitzgibbon
Liesl ... Patrica Lynn
The von Trapp Children ... The Aida Foster Children

and others

The track Listing is:

Side One

Prelude and The Sound of Music ... Adele Leigh and girls chorus
Maria ... Patricia Johnson, Barbara Elsy, Pauline Stevens and
My Favourite Things ... Adele Leigh and Patricia Johnson
Do-Re-Mi ... Adele Leigh and children
Sixteen Going On Seventeen ... Peter Gilmore and Patricia Lynn
The Lonely Goatherd .. -. Adele Leigh and girls chorus

Side Two

How Can Love Survive ... Maggie Fitzgibbon and William Dickie
Climb Ev'ry Mountain ... Patricia Johnson and chorus
No Way To Stop It ...Ian Wallace, William Dickie and Maggie Fitzgibbon
An Ordinary Couple ... Adele Leigh and Ian Wallace
Edelweiss ... Ian Wallace
Finale ... Chorus

The record is made by World Record International, with addreses in Sydney, Meblourne, Perth and Adelade, but ot has no date, or any Copyright notices. On the Record itself it las the label Light Music Club, World Stereo.

If anyone knows anything about it, pls reply. Also if you want more info, my talk page is there! -- KaiAdin 10:26, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know this specific album, but I'd wager it's of specifically British (rather than Australian) provenance. Adele Leigh appeared on a number of what we'd now call "crossover" albums in the 1960s, including the Mantovani-led "Kismet" selection on Decca. Patricia Johnson was an operatic mezzo or contralto -- she was billed both ways -- with a number of recordings to her credit, including Marcellina on the Karl Boehm "Marriage of Figaro." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.183.0.54 (talk) 11:18, 30 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Malaysian "Sound of Music on Ice"

I've removed the section under the list of productions relating to the Malaysian ice performance. It sounds like a one-off performance, so I don't think it belongs here. And as discussed above, the "trivia" section has been trimmed down, so I don't think we should be re-adding more trivia. Also, I find it odd that the entry was quite vague: "The students of an ice skating academy" - which ice skating academy? Why not name it?

If other editors disagree and think it should be re-inserted, I do think that a source should be found for purposes of verifiability, and I remain unconvinced that it's notable enough for inclusion in this article. CLW 09:44, 16 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Maria von Trapp in the DVD

I just searched my DVD of S of M for the scene the Wikipedia article describes in which the real Maria and her daugher and granddaughter appear on an arch during the song "I Feel Confidence". Wasn't there as far as I can tell. I also listened to the director's comments during the scene to see if he mentions it and he doesn't. It seems to me that I remember seeing online a still from the scene, but don't know where I saw it, and I didn't notice it while watching (sporadically) the movie with my son. Is it perhaps in another scene?

A small error in the trivia section: It says that Julie Andrews tripped while filming, and they left it in (at the end of the "confidence" scene). The director says on the dvd that she tripped during rehearsal and they told her to leave it in for the filming. 24.127.101.24 20:33, 26 March 2006 (UTC)Nanci[reply]

It's there, but you wouldn't notice it unless someone had pointed it out to you. Don't have the movie handy, but in the shot right before she goes to the fountain and runs her hand through it, there's an arch in the background. Maria von Trapp and her kin are underneath that arch. But it's not noticeable, it's way in the background. It's just a nice tidbit. --Fbv65edel ^{(discuss | contribs)} 03:17, 27 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's true. Maria Augusta, her daughter Rosemarie and her stepgranddaughter Barbara (daughter from Werner, who died 2007) where there in this scene. Maria Augusta said: "I'm not an actress." They need 19 takes for this scene. --AndreaMimi (talk) 19:20, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Film plot outline

This section appears to have been corrupted. The synopsis stops halfway, and a list of the child actors then follows, poorly formatted. I'm unwilling to make any major changes because I'm relatively new to editing pages. johnboy 23:04, 20 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I fixed it on the 21st. Goodnight, johnboy (just had to say that). Clarityfiend 06:36, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The present version of the article says that Maria began to doubt her calling. Actually, that is backwards. As the movie makes clear, it was the Abbey that doubted whether Maria was an appropriate candidate. 130.13.0.75 (talk) 14:50, 17 November 2007 (UTC)John Paul Parks130.13.0.75 (talk) 14:50, 17 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Article Split

I am trying to split this article into The Sound of Music which focuses solely on the broadway musical, and The Sound of Music (film) which will focus solely on the 1965 film. I started to do this yesterday but apparently some sections were lost in the move so the work was reverted. I guess this time we can focus on not losing any sections of information in the process.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Estrose (talk • contribs) 20:54, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Musical Unknown in Austria -Trivia Section-

It states that the Musical is relativly unknown in Austria, im not sure this is true because when I visted Austria in the late 90's my family and I went on a Sound Of Music tour, where we went on a bus ride visiting different places shown in the film and also places from the original story. So if people are making money out of it as a tourist attraction I find it hard to beleive it is unknown there. Woldo 12:31, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, of course there's a tour, because tourists know it and want to see the places. But, I, as an Austrian, have never seen the film or heard any of the songs, and neither has any of my friends. Oszillodrom 18:02, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This would then class as Original Research. Reference the fact or it doesn't belong there, this is an example of what wikipedia is not. Woldo 23:09, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well I guess that would be original research (yours) vs. original research (mine). But I think we can try to agree on something and then try to verify it with a reference.Oszillodrom 13:06, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I found a reference, but I don't know if it is valid in Wiki (I'm a bit of a newbie). [1] (from the association for art of the city of Salzburg): "What is especially peculiar about its success is that one of the most famous pieces of film history is almost unknown in Austria, its place of origin. When it reached the cinemas in Europe it completely flopped in Germany, Austria and Switzerland. In Salzburg, the film had to be removed from the programme after just three days." Oszillodrom 13:06, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have to agree with your reference, it seems all good, so if you would care to place the link in the main article where neccesary youll be helping wikipedia. Thanks mate Woldo 09:04, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have added the reference, but I don't know how to include it with the other references. Somebody please fix this. Oszillodrom 21:05, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Versions

What was the year of the Australian production mentioned in the article? There was an original Australian production (quite separate, obviously, from the one mentioned here) in 1961 (or thereabouts) that starred June Bronhill as Maria and featured Rosina Raisbeck as the Mother Abbess - both, incidentally, possessors of good, trained operatic voices. It opened at the Princess Theatre in Melbourne and later transferred to Sydney. There was a cast recording. It would be worth adding this production to the list of versions discussed. ChristopherW, 28 May 2006

The sound of Music is a Great movie. It's can teach you alot. But If you are wanting to do a project on " The sound of Music here is the Producers cause It took me forever to find. Leland Hayward and Richard Halliday. I think that rest of your info. is in the rest. So good luck!—Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.235.92.180 (talk) 01:47, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The 1991 Japanese Animation version

Does anyone know any more about the Nippon Animation series? I suspect that this was based on the story of the family, but had no other links to the musical. Would they have been licensed to use the songs or script? Rojomoke 10:42, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

2006 production

This is becoming similar to a gossip column about the minute changes and goings-on of this latest revival. Is it necessary? The show hasn't even opened yet! May I suggest it be split off into a separate article for devotees of such gossip? Orbicle 10:44, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Spam link

I would say the link to the box office of a current production is irrelevant and merely spam. Any thoughts? Sam Hayes 23:40, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Totally agree. I think the entire section about the 2006 revival is equally irrelevant, apart from the merest mention of it. See my comment above. Orbicle 11:43, 12 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As are the comments about Gwen Sefani also advertising for her new album. Probably her publicist put them there. Stephanis "song" (for lack of a better word) really isn't relevant to the topic. She didnt contribute anything to the Sound of Music or its legacy. LuckyDan 12:56, 25 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Title

I thought the title of this was "the hill are alive with the sound of music" or is that one of the songs? Simply south 14:05, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The title of the musical (and the film) is simply "The Sound of Music". In the title song, you will find the lyric "The hills are alive with the sound of music". --Thomprod (talk) 20:23, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Austrian DVD Cover"

It says "Austrian DVD Cover" under the picture of the DVD Cover. So why is the text on it in English then? Doesn't make any sense, does it? --193.171.131.249 18:55, 19 December 2006 (UTC) Surely there shouldn't be a picture of the DVD to the film on the page about stage productions? Jonks 12:45, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

right (German) vs. left (Austria before 1934-8) side traffic

Before German occupation, Austrians drove on the left side of the road, generally in cars with the steering wheel on the right. Germans drove on the right, with the steering wheel on the left, and forced Austria to reverse its rules of the road during the mid-1930s. In the movie, note the appropriate contrast between the von Trapp family's big Mercedes touring car, with its steering wheel on the right, and the two cars driven by the German soldiers, with the steering wheel on the left. Nice touch! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.36.44.98 (talk) 21:48, 28 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Can you cite any independent source for your statement that Hitler changed them over from the left side of the road to right? Such a change causes a huge dislocation and adjustment. It seems to me that Hitler would have been far more interested in securing order than in engaging in a disruption like that. 130.13.0.75 (talk) 14:52, 17 November 2007 (UTC)John Paul Parks130.13.0.75 (talk) 14:52, 17 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It is true. here is one source (article in the German Newspaper "Sueddeutsche" http://www.sueddeutsche.de/auto/der-linksverkehr-und-seine-geschichte-linkssruck-mit-peitschenhieb-1.829791-3) Up to the French Revolution everyone in Europe drove on the left site. Then Napoleon pretty much pressured everyone into driving on the right. Only people to refuse were the Austrians, who sort of went back to driving on the left once Napoleon was gone. However certain parts of Austria stuck to driving on the right so in the end you had the road sectioned in two (one for driving right, one for driving left).Eeven though there were several tries it wasn't until Hitler took over in 1938 that traffic regulations were properly put in place and it was decreed that everyone has to drive on the right. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FerociousFranky (talk • contribs) 09:53, 1 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Feasibility of travel through the Alps?

Can someone clear up the feasibility of foot travel through the Alps?

Having never been to Europe, I am limited to what was shown in the first ten minutes of the movie, and in the closing ten minutes. It appears, at least on the surface, to be impossible or exceedingly hazardous to travel to Switzerland from Austria unless one had done it before, and knew in advance the appropriate trails to take. Am I laboring under a false impression? For instance, the first ten minutes of the movie show a panorama of very rugged mountains punctuated with a variety of one and two thousand foot cliffs. This is far from a Sunday picnic. Guiding a family of seven through those mountains would have to have been a daunting task. How on earth could it be done? I and my mom just watched the movie for the first time this evening, and I opined that the screenwriter must have intended for the entire family to perish in the snowy hills beyond the crest of the first mountain encountered.

Sure, the real Trapp family survived, but did the screenwriter intend for the family to have perished in the snow?

The main article could be improved if a map were included indicating the probably route to be taken, were this all to have happened as it did in the movie. 198.177.27.19 10:33, 9 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe this information from the article on the film, not the musical, can answer your question: "While the von Trapp family hiked over the Alps to Switzerland in the movie, in reality they walked to the local train station and boarded the next train to Italy. From Italy, they fled to London and ultimately the U.S. [2] Salzburg is in fact only a few miles away from the Austrian-German border, and is much too far from either the Swiss or Italian borders for a family to escape by walking. Had the von Trapps hiked over the mountains, they would have ended up in Germany, near Hitler's mountain retreat." So no map of this fictional route could be made. --VirtualDelight 11:27, 9 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is one of those places where the screenwriter goofed. If you look on a map, you will see that, to get to Switzerland from Austria, you would have to pass through Germany first! That would not be very bright if you are trying to escape from the Nazis.

This entire portion of the movie is fiction, though. The real von Trapps did not "escape" from the Nazis. When the occupation came, they decided to seek economic opportunities elsewhere. Instead of escaping, they merely boarded the train and headed to Italy. From there, they went to the rest of Europe, and to London, and then to New York. 130.13.0.75 (talk) 14:55, 17 November 2007 (UTC)John Paul Parks130.13.0.75 (talk) 14:55, 17 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You do not have to pass through Germany if you want to go to Switzerland from Austria. You have to pass through Liechtenstein only. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FerociousFranky (talk • contribs) 09:40, 1 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Small sections trivia

A couple of small sections in the article, like the "Early films" section and the "Authenticity" section ought to go into some other section or even be deleted. There also seems to be too much trivia. On the other hand, the synopsis ought to be expanded somewhat. Best regards, -- Ssilvers 03:22, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm slowly going through this article, re-writing where I think needed (as in the background), combining Trivia where I can, etc. I added an important (to me) plot point--that of raising the children. I'd like to see a few songs added into the plot, I think that usually demonstrates a point better than text. More later.JeanColumbia 12:50, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hitler I've seen the movie and alot of my friends say hitler was involved who is Hitler?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.135.180.10 (talk) 04:13, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hack

Somebody hacked this voice...(see the first sentence) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.193.52.64 (talk) 22:55, 25 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use rationale for Image:Sound-of-Music-Australian-production.jpg

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I added a fair use summary. -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:29, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cultural references?

It appears to me, most of the references are more for the film version rather than the musical. Should this section be rewritten, deleted or something else ? Master Redyva ♠ —Preceding comment was added at 06:34, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the cultural reference section should focus on references to the show, not the movie. Also, it should explain in narrative paragraphs how the cultural references are relevant to the article, rather than simply being a list of references. Feel free to dig into it. -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:40, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have deleted the section for three reasons:

1. It was not well documented and contained some non-factual information. 2. It was not well written. 3.It focused on the movie rather than the show. Master Redyva ♠17:24, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Don't just delete stuff. Find the references. The first item is adequately referenced, and the other material refers to particular media items that are matters of record, so it is verifiable. What information is "nonfactual?" Discuss before deleting. If not well written, please improve the writing. -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:18, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Which of the "cultural references" referenece the musical rather than the movie?Master Redyva ♠ —Preceding comment was added at 19:13, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

They all say that they reference the musical, and the editors who put them into this article believed that they belong here. We must assume that Wikipedia editors have made an edit correctly unless we have some evidence to the contrary. Which ones do you doubt and why? -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:32, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please see The Sound of Music (film), "In popular culture, Due to the popularity of the film, it has been referenced or parodied in pop culture today:" They are the same references. Mmmm? (And I will tell you what is too funny, Wikiquote redirects to quotes of the movie.) Master Redyva ♠ —Preceding comment was added at 23:52, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's something. So the question becomes, which of these refer to the film, and which to the musical. If you want to get to the bottom of it, do the research. Until then, all you have told me is that both articles refer to the same references. That does not show that all of the references listed here are to the film rather than the musical. Let's not jump to conclusions until we have done our homework. -- Ssilvers (talk) 02:07, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Whoa! It really appears the references are to the film. I just thought as an encyclopedia, the article should be factual first, not later. I apologize, I thought the article would be stronger without the section now, with the homework being done later. Master Redyva ♠ —Preceding comment was added at 03:17, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

HomeWork Part 1:

Gwen Stefani's 2006 single, "Wind It Up" : Stefani considered The Sound of Music her favorite film, and she had wanted to incorporate a beat to one of its songs all her life. (Infantry, Ashante. "Stefani has it all, baby". Toronto Star. A27.) Stefani asked DJ Jeremy Healy to create a mashup of the song and "The Lonely Goatherd", a song 1965 film The Sound of Music. (Pharrell Hated Stefani's Yodelling". MTV UK & Ireland. February 27, 2007. Retrieved April 29, 2007. Infantry, Ashante. "Stefani has it all, baby". Toronto Star. A27.) Stefani commented, "I literally cried, and I'm not exaggerating, when I heard the mash-up." (Vineyard, Jennifer. "Gwen Stefani's New LP, The Sweet Escape, Set For December". MTV News. October 23, 2006. Retrieved April 29, 2007.) Is this a Cultural reference for the film or the musical? Master Redyva ♠ 14:02, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

HomeWork Part 2:

The children in the Addams Family Values movie are forced to watch The Brady Bunch, The Sound of Music, Annie, and a series of Disney movies. This Cultural reference is for the film, not the musical. Master Redyva ♠ 15:10, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I moved the reference to the film article, which didn't have it. -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:22, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Synopsis

The synopsis needs to be replaced with one of the stage show, not the movie. Here's my version of Act I, condensed from the script I'm using this summer. It's a bit long, so I'd welcome suggestions on shortening it -- but I might not, since I'm trying to give enough detail to point out the differences from the movie. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 04:00, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Act I

The show opens to a choir of nuns from Nonnberg Abbey singing the Dixit Dominus. As the Mistress of Novices checks in the sisters and postulants, they discover that one of the postulants, Maria Rainer, is missing. She is up on the mountainside near the abbey, singing her regrets about leaving the beautiful natural setting, in which she hears "The Sound of Music" from the hills. She returns to the abbey after the gates are locked, and the next day, the Mother Abbess and some of the other nuns try to discover how to solve a problem like "Maria". When the Mother Abbess meets with Maria, Maria explains that she wasn't afraid of being lost, because she was raised on that mountain. She also apologizes for singing in the abbey garden without permission, but the Mother Abbess urges her to sing the song again, which she herself used to sing as a small child. After they sing "My Favorite Things" together, the Mother Abbess tells Maria that there is a family of seven children that needs a governess, and that Maria should go to them until September, to help her decide if she is truly ready for the monastic life.

At the Trapp Family villa, Captain Georg von Trapp informs Franz, the butler, and Frau Schmidt, the housekeeper, that a new governess is coming that day, and that she can't walk out like the last one. He tells them to prepare for him to return from Vienna with two guests. After he leaves, Franz and Frau Schmidt discuss the possible German takeover of Austria, until the doorbell rings. Franz escorts Maria in, and the Captain explains her duties. He then summons the children with a bosun's whistle, and they march in. He introduces them and teaches her their individual signals, but she refuses to use it to call them. When she's alone with them, she asks them to re-introduce themselves, which they do with varying degrees of friendliness. Finding out they don't know how to sing, she teaches them the basics with "Do-Re-Mi".

That evening, Rolf, a messenger boy, delivers a telegram to Franz and then meets with Liesl, the oldest daughter. Planning how to meet again, Rolf lets slip that a colonel from Berlin is staying with the Gauleiter, and asks her not to say anything. He tells her that he worries about her, because she is "Sixteen Going on Seventeen". At the end of the song, they dance together and kiss, before Rolf runs off.

In Maria's bedroom, Frau Schmidt gives Maria material to make new clothes, as she had given all her worldly possesions to the abbey for the poor. Maria asks for more material to make playclothes for the children, but Frau Schmidt explains that they march, not play. After she leaves, Maria is saying her evening prayers when Liesl slips through the window, soaking wet from the thunderstorm that just started. She attempts to leave unobserved, but Maria sees her and agrees to keep secret that she had been out with a boy. As Liesl enters the bathroom to hang her dress to dry, the other children run in, scared by the storm. To cheer them up, Maria sings "The Lonely Goatherd", which the children all join in yodelling.

Some days later, Captain von Trapp and Baroness Elsa Schrader are taking coffee on the terrace, wondering why the children aren't there to greet her. Max Detweiler, who arrived with them, banters about his motives for visiting. When the Captain goes to look for the children, Max asks Elsa if George would be marrying her. She says yes, but that something was holding him back. Max explains that it's their respective fortunes, and that only poor people have the time for great romances. They sing "How Can Love Survive" as the Captain returns from his search. Rolf enters, looking for Liesl. When he greets the Captain with "Heil", Georg orders him off the property, as he is Austrian, not German.

Maria and the children leapfrog in, wearing playclothes made from Maria's old curtains. Infuriated, he sends them to clean up and change. Maria insists on telling him about how the children need him to love them, and he orders her back to the Abbey. As she apologizes, they hear the children singing "The Sound of Music" to Baroness Schrader. The Captain joins in, and at the end he embraces them. As the children lead Elsa off to see the gardens, he asks Maria to stay, thanking her for bringing music back into his house. He leaves, and Elsa enters. She is suspicious of Maria until she explains that she will be returning to the abbey in September.

At a party that Georg is giving to introduce Elsa to his friends, some of the guests are arguing over the Anschluss, while Elsa is upstairs, claiming a headache. The Captain defuses the situation, and the guests wander out to the terrace as Kurt and Maria enter, talking about the Laendler the guests are dancing. He asks her to teach him. She demurs, but he insists, and she attempts to teach him. When he is unable to negotiate a complicated figure, the Captain steps in to demonstrate. Maria and the Captain dance until they come face-to-face, and Maria breaks away, embarrassed and confused.

Max enters, and the Captain realizes that he needs another woman to balance the dinner table. As Liesl is too young, he will ask Maria. Max is shocked, and tells him that he can't expect his guests to dine with a nursemaid, but George waves off the objections and orders Franz to set two more places. Maria and Brigitta discuss Elsa and the expected marriage, but Brigitta shocks Maria by telling her that the Captain is in love with her -- and she with the Captain. When the Captain comes in, he asks her to change for dinner, and suggests a dress that he had found particularly lovely. She goes off, and Elsa asks Georg to let the children say goodnight to the guests as they previously had to her. The Captain doesn't want the children to sing in front of strangers, but Elsa takes advantage of Max's arrival, changed for dinner, to start them off singing "So Long, Farewell". As Max hasn't heard them before, he is amazed, and decides that he needs them for the Kaltzberg Festival, which he is organizing. As the guests leave for the dining room, Maria unhappily slips out the front door with her luggage.

Back at the abbey, Maria tells the Mother Abbess that she is now ready to take her vows. When the Mother Abbess discovers that Maria is running away from her feelings, she tells Maria that she must return to face the Captain and discover if they love each other, and that she must find the life she was meant to live, by looking for it, and to "Climb Ev'ry Mountain".—Preceding unsigned comment added by SarekOfVulcan (talk • contribs) 05:00, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Yes, it's too long, but go ahead and trim it right in the article. Remember, at Wikipedia, anyone can edit the content. I did a little bit of trimming myself, but you should do more. One question. She first dances with? You wrote Kurt, but who is Kurt. Does she dance with Max, or a guest, or who? Also, who is Brigitta, a guest? a friend of Elsa's? Please add Act II to the article page. -- Ssilvers (talk) 14:16, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The children in the movie are named: Liesel, Friedrich, Louisa, Kurt, Brigitta, Martha and Gretl.

Also in the stage versions - I saw versions in Lentia/2003 and Vienna/2008 and a puppet show in Salzburg (Marionettentheater) in July 2008. --AndreaMimi (talk) 19:22, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Act II

(I never got around to writing this here, but instead put it directly into the article. Pasting here for completeness' sake. SarekOfVulcan)

At the von Trapp's, Max is teaching the children how to sing on stage, without telling the Captain. When the Captain enters and tries to get them to sing with him, they complain that he's not doing it like Maria, and Elsa and Max leave the family alone. The von Trapps try to figure out why she left, and Georg reveals that he has asked Elsa to marry him. Alone, the children try to cheer themselves up by singing "My Favorite Things", but are unsuccessful until they hear Maria singing in the distance. When Brigitta reveals the wedding plans, Maria decides to stay only until the Captain can arrange for another governess. The Captain, Max, and Elsa argue about the imminent Anschluss, and they try to convince him he has to comprise, because "There's No Way to Stop It". Elsa tries one last time to get him to see things her way, but he refuses, as long as she sees it their way. Elsa decides to return to Vienna, and Georg and Maria finally admit to their love, desiring only to be "An Ordinary Couple". As they walk down the aisle, against the wedding processional the nuns reprise "Maria".

During the honeymoon, Max is preparing the children to go to the Kaltzberg Festival when Herr Zeller, the Gauleiter, arrives and demands to know why they are not flying the flag of the Third Reich, now that the Anschluss has occurred. Frau Schmidt says that she can only take orders from the Captain, but Zeller insists that the Captain will take his orders from them. After he leaves, Georg and Maria return early from their honeymoon, and Brigitta reveals the concert plans. The Captain repeats his refusal, and when Max tries to convince him that it's for Austria, the Captain points out that there is no Austria. After the Captain storms out, Max tries to get Maria to convince the Captain to compromise, but Maria will not ask him to be less than he is. Max goes to talk to Georg more, and Maria and Liesl discuss romantic love, reprising "Sixteen Going on Seventeen". Rolf enters with a telegram for the Captain. He is cold to Liesl and refuses to give Maria the telegram, but hands it over to Franz. The Captain tells Maria that he has been offered a commission in the German Navy, and asks her to tell him decide if he should accept to keep his family safe. She tells him that his decision will be hers, and he decides that they need to leave Austria. While they begin to make plans, German Admiral von Schreiber arrives to find out why he has not answered the telegram. On learning that the Captain has just returned from his honeymoon, he explains that the German Navy holds him in high regard, offers him the commission, and tells him to report immediately to Bremerhaven to assume command. Maria says that he can't leave immediately, as they are all singing in the Festival concert.

The Admiral agrees to wait until after the concert, and they go, where they sing an elaborate version of "Do-Re-Mi". After they finish, Max brings out the Captain's guitar, and George sings about the "Edelweiss". Max prevents them from leaving the stage, and announces to the audience that as this is their last chance to sing together for a long time, thanks to the honor guard waiting to escort him directly to his new command. He asks for an encore while the judges decide on the prizes, and they sing "So Long, Farewell", leaving the stage in small groups. Max announces the winners, stalling as much as possible. When he announces that the first prize goes to the von Trapps and they do not appear, the Nazis start a search. They come to the Abbey, where the von Trapps are hiding, but do not find them, until Rolf comes upon them. He calls his lieutenant, but on seeing Liesl, he says that he hadn't found anything. He leaves, and one of the nuns tells them that the borders have been closed. They decide to flee over the mountains, and they leave to the sound of "Climb Ev'ry Mountain".—Preceding unsigned comment added by SarekOfVulcan (talk • contribs) 05:00, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Broadway vs. Movie

The article is confusing as it seems to be talking about the musical, and yet it's hard to know what the differences are if they aren't clearly stated. For example, the obvious singing of "My Favorite Things" in the bedroom instead of the Goat song. There is a comment next to the confusion... if this is often mistaken, shouldn't it be noted for the reader? It doesn't have to be an extensive comment, but it is confusing if you don't know all the differences between the two productions. -- Retailmonica (talk) 02:09, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There could be a paragraph on differences between the film and musical at the bottom of the Synopsis section or better yet, where the film is described. Feel free to write it if you have references to cite. -- Ssilvers (talk) 02:29, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Footnotes

The footnotes to this article fail to give author, publisher and date information. -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:32, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Editnotice

I just added an editnotice to the article pointing out that this is the stage version. If anyone has any suggestions for better wording, let me know, or put an {{editprotected}} request here asking any admin to fix it.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 17:33, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, SarekOfVulcan! Having struggled with editors mixing up stage and movie versions, I appreciate the edit notice. Let's see how it works. JeanColumbia (talk) 17:44, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Companians

Made by sophei dopver and also maii-ching the audience tasters —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.123.43.78 (talk) 10:57, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Connections to other riches

MARIA-ANN LUU MAII-CHING SOPHIE DOVER FAITH DOVER DAVID WINTER AND SO ON —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.123.43.78 (talk) 10:59, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

is this about the movie or the stage play ?

which is it ? becaus the article says that maria sings the lonley goatherd to the children during the storm but in the movie she sings my favorite things and it says that she sing favorite things with the mother abbess.the song does not mention the song do re mi but it does mention two other songs that were deleted (how can love survive and no way to stop it ). AND it says that rolfe delivers a birthday note to franz when it was actually for the captain due to which he must leave for vienna! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maniqadir (talk • contribs) 16:40, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about the stage musical, and so "The Lonely Goatherd" is correctly shown. Also note the hidden comment directly after that song which states ""The Lonely Goatherd" is correct for the stage version: please do not change it.".JeanColumbia (talk) 17:04, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Edit warring

To the user Yohoyoho12, please stop edit warring. You have not explained how the performance you're trying to add to this article is significant, or passes WP:N or WP:V. If you feel the performance is significant enough to be added to a Wikipedia article, please explain why and how here. As you've been warned before, if you do not stop edit warring, you'll be blocked. -waywardhorizons (talk) 23:33, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

other productions

there are productions in vienna (austria) since 2005 until now (first time in austria) and in salzburg (austria) since 2011 with a famous musical singer called uew kroeger — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.116.247.205 (talk) 23:41, 16 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Historical accuracy

This section begins, The musical presents a history of the von Trapp family, albeit one that is largely inaccurate... Broadway musicals, like operas, movies, and novels, are generally understood to be works of fiction. Many are inspired by true stories and have characters named after real people. However, no one expects them to be historically accurate. After all, real people don't usually burst into song at the drop of a hat while orchestral music wells up in the background; that alone should be a clue. I can't figure out how to reword it, but I'd like to get rid of the chagrin. Zyxwv99 (talk) 01:40, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'd say "largely inaccurate" might be a little extreme, but the innaccuracy isn't just that people don't go around singing--the actual plot of the musical is different from the historical events on which it was based. What do you think of the wording, "Though The Sound of Music is based on historical events, the story contains some inaccuracies"? MarianWilde (talk) 00:55, 20 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm having a problem with the words "accurate" and "inaccurate" when applied to something that is clearly a work of fiction. It's a bit like a food critic going into a restaurant, ordering mock turtle soup, then complaining that it didn't contain any actual turtle meat. Fiction can be neither "accurate" or "inaccurate" since the terms simply do not apply. On the other hand, I am sure readers would like to know something about the Trapp Family Singers. I just wouldn't presented it as an exposé. Instead, maybe something positive and uplifting, for example, about the music camp in Vermont, or the book Enjoy Your Recorder." Zyxwv99 (talk) 02:04, 20 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I just realized that this information is basically the same as information already stated in the "background" section, which is a better place for it anyway. I suggest getting rid of the "Historical Accuracy" section and that I rephrase the "background" section so it's less pointed. MarianWilde (talk) 20:49, 20 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds good. Zyxwv99 (talk) 21:47, 20 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've taken a stab at it, and I see you've fixed a couple of my errors; thanks! What do you think of it? I tried to remove the more subjective stuff. MarianWilde (talk) 00:24, 23 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It looks good, and improves the whole article. Thanks. Zyxwv99 (talk) 03:08, 23 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

2013 London production

The 2013 production at London's Regent's Park Open Air Theatre seems to be getting rave reviews.[3] Is it worth mentioning it in the list of productions? And1987 (talk) 02:08, 20 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Genesis of the Play

It is important to add that the Broadway musical credit says that it was "Suggested by 'The Trapp Family Singers' by Maria Augusta Trapp" - not BASED upon. Maria Von Trapp had actually sold all of the rights to her autobiography - indeed, to her entire life story - to Divina-Film, a West German film company who made the film "Die Trapp-Familie" in 1956. The only rights that the creators of The Sound Of Music could secure were the rights to this film. Many of the changes to the story came from this 1956 film. Maria often complained about The Sound of Music, its portrayal of herself and the family as well as the fact that she recieved no royalties. (Although Rodgers & Hammerstein gave her a small percentage from the play.) The problem was she waived all of her rights and royalties when she signed with Divina-Film.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrbentley (talk • contribs) 16:01, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please explain how Saul Chaplin figures in this

I see the following, and I do not now wish to change it since I have not been told how Saul Chaplin is involved.

'Many stage revivals have also included "I Have Confidence," which was written by Saul Chaplin, and "Something Good", which was written by Richard Rodgers for the film version.'

I was under the impression that Richard Rodgers did the music and the lyrics for those 2 songs, both of which are used in the film version. Hammerstein did not collaborate on those 2 songs, because he had died in 1960. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.63.16.20 (talk) 15:53, 14 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Maria Rainer Suggestion

The surname "Rainer" is not mentioned in the linked article. Is it actually used in the script for the musical? If not, I think her name in the list of characters should be changed to Maria von Trapp, or possibly Maria.--Thomprod (talk) 18:02, 1 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Maria Rainer is the name of the character in the script (and on cast albums), so I think it is used correctly here. Every source agrees, including the licensing site Stage Agent and the IBDB. -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:44, 1 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

1965 film adaptation

I learn that the musical and broadway for The Sound Of Music was adapted into a classic film of the same name, which provided breakout roles for Julie Andrews and Christopher Plummer. My grandmother and I liked the film like worldwide audiences. Rectify 54 (talk) 18:53, 23 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The Sound of Music (soundtrack) needs its Chart Performance table completed

Right now it only lists UK chart performance. (I'm not skilled at those chart tables so I'm letting people here and elsewhere know.) Softlavender (talk) 13:06, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

UPDATE: This has been taken care of now. Thanks very much to Richard3120 and Ssilvers. The only issue remaining is a reliable (non-AllMusic) citation is needed for the claim about the 2015 re-issue reaching #5 on Top Soundtracks. Softlavender (talk) 09:05, 30 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Since the claim about the #5 position for the 2015 release is dubious, and not important to the article anyway, I'm deleting it until someone finds such a ref, if such a ref. exists. -- Ssilvers (talk) 09:59, 30 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Possible link to Cast recording#Cast Album database

One part of an edit I made to a reference, on March 10, was to provide a wiki-link to a portion of a Wikipedia article describing the refferenced website: Castalbums.org. On March 12, User:SarekOfVulcan objected to this, saying "I couldn't see any actual point to having it there besides promotion". It seems to me that it is useful for a reader of the Sound of Music article to have easy access to what Wikipedia says about Castalbums.org. And I do not understand why providing access to a section of a Wikipedia article would be construed as "promotion". Can someone explain this? CWBoast (talk) 22:27, 12 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Now I see. User:SarekOfVulcan had removed the "Cast Album database" section out the Cast recording article. I didn't understand the first part of User:SarekOfVulcan's March 12 edit message here. No problem. CWBoast (talk) 22:39, 12 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I note, also, that Cast recording is an entirely unreferenced article, so the first thing that needs to be done is to add references to that article to verify the information there. Or that article needs to be deleted. Any link to that article basically imports a load of WP:OR to any article that links to it. -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:49, 12 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

First cover recording of a Sound of Music song

I've had a question on my mind for some time. I notice that there was a statement that Patti Page was the first artist to sing any of the Sound of Music songs before the musical opened on Broadway. However, Mitch Miller and his chorus recorded Do-Re-Mi on 26 September 1959. Mitch Miller and his sing-along chorus recorded this version of Do-Re-Mi with the children from the original Broadway cast. I know this to be so because the booklet of the Columbia Broadway Masterworks issue of the Broadway recording gives this date. Surely this is the first recorded version of any of the Sound of Music songs? Could you fill me on on this? Yip1982 (talk) 06:03, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 24 July 2022

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– The Best Picture-winning 1965 film appears to hold at least equal, if not higher, historical standing than the stage musical that debuted in 1959. Alternatively, I would support exchange of WP:PRIMARYTOPICS — The Sound of Music → The Sound of Music (musical) alongside The Sound of Music (film) → The Sound of Music. — Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 03:47, 24 July 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 22:15, 31 July 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Steel1943 (talk) 06:02, 8 August 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 05:54, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I generally support the move at this time. In terms of the alternative options also suggested, I don't think the film should be the primary topic no matter how famous it is. My understanding is that we don't let the (even famous) film based on its stage musical be the primary topic. One could post a notification of this discussion at WT:WikiProject Musical Theatre if desired. Softlavender (talk) 04:40, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I Oppose the move. The Best Musical Tony Award-winning musical is the original, and the screen version is merely an adaptation, successful as it was. In addition, the musical is revived over and over again in successful productions, while the film just gets older and older and eventually will be rerun less and less. -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:18, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Leaning oppose, as there are more meanings than just the Broadway show and the film. There is also the title song, and the TV productions, for which the article on musical serves as something of a WP:DABCONCEPT. BD2412 T 05:59, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose moving. The musical is the primary subject, the film in question would not exist without the stage musical.Mark E (talk) 13:25, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This has nothing to do with Wikipedia policy. Even if something is newer, as in this case, it can surpass its original inspiration and become PRIMARY. Eccekevin (talk) 00:19, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The DAB page should probably be moved to Sound of Music (disambiguation) in any case per WP:DABNAME as not all of the uses use "The". Crouch, Swale (talk) 10:38, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

For the record, there are 19 entries listed upon The Sound of Music (disambiguation) page [20 entries, if The Sound of Musicals under "See also" is added to the count]. "The" is not used by two WP:DABMENTIONS — song from Still (Joy Division album) and 1966 specialty store renamed Best Buy in 1983, as well as by two main title headers — Sound of Music (album) and Sound of Music (punk club). —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 15:50, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support NOPRIMARY among the musical (long-term significance) and film (usage). Its better that we disambiguate all to better ensure wikilinks are going to the right articles. This is similar to the same handling we do between popular films and novels that inspired them. -- Netoholic @ 11:44, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A musical, unlike a novel, can be revived again and again in highly successful productions, so they should not be handled the same way. -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:11, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support swap. The film, musical, and song topics all have long-term significance. The film article, though, has about three-quarters of the pageviews here, which is significant, especially considering that the musical article usage is currently inflated due to the basename bump. Overall, it would help our readers and editors to have the film article become primarytopic. Failing that, I would support as proposed the dab as primary. As far as the status quo, "being named after" is not really relevant - see Boston, Lincolnshire. Dohn joe (talk) 19:29, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - a no brainer in my view. Ssilvers, above, sets out clearly why the original is the primary version. Tim riley talk 22:02, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support, leaning towards NOPRIMARY. Please note our guideline that adaptations can be the primary: WP:DPT explains that "being the original source of the name is also not determinative." A relevant comparison would be The Godfather, an adaptation of The Godfather (novel). Ductwork (talk) 06:17, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for the excellent explanation of Ssilvers above. Totally unnecessary move. Jack1956 (talk) 10:04, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - the musical is obviously primary. --Doric Loon (talk) 18:43, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Relist comment The musical clearly dominates in long-term significance, which is what opposers are arguing on. But on the usage front, the only provided data so far (from Dohn joe) gives a views advantage to the film. Supporters also stated that just being the source material does not overrule other considerations for primary topics on its own (or the lack of any). — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 22:21, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support, the musical is not PRIMARY by page views or long-term significance, if anything the movie is. DAB at base name is best compromise.--Ortizesp (talk) 04:38, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Per WP:DPT, the original source of a name is not inherently the primary topic (see Ductwork and Dohn joe for more details on this point). I don't think there's a clear primary topic between the film and the stage musical, so giving the primary title to the DAB page seems most appropriate. It may be the case that the film will eventually decline in significance, but I don't think we can assume that outright without getting into WP:CRYSTALBALL territory. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 17:01, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support: Neither topic is clearly primary. The film is highly notable and we shouldn't think we know better than readers about what they should be reading about. Also, since the film and musical are roughly from the same period of time and both are about 60 years old, we can't blame recentism for the readership interest. (Anyone for reopening the discussion at Talk:Straight Outta Compton?) —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 21:36, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Ssilvers Red Slash 22:51, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - the original musical is the clear primary topic on the grounds of long-term significance. Having the disambig page at this title would not be the expected result. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 16:09, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support, the movie is more significant than the musical that spawned it. The Sound of Music (film) has three times as many page views. Researcher (Hebrew: חוקרת) (talk) 18:03, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I was hesitant to comment on this one as I can see both sides of this argument. However, I believe that the musical and the movie have long-term importance and significance. I do not think either are the primary topic, and I do not think something being the original (i.e. the musical) automatically makes it the primary topic. I have known a few people who are familiar with the movie and never knew it was based on a musical. Aoba47 (talk) 21:51, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Relist comment 2 Another recap of the arguments so far. The crux of the RM is whether the musical is the primary topic. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 06:01, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- People who think the musical is the primary topic tend to cite it being the source material in addition to its recurring performances in order to build up a case for a long-term significance lead. However, RM supporters have repeatedly expressed a lack of confidence in this argumentation. They point out that being the source material does not itself make a primary topic, and also that the long-term significance argumentation so far relies on a unverifiable WP:CRYSTALBALL assumption that the film will lose competitive significance compared to the musical over time.
- People who don't believe that this is the primary topic generally point out how the film has a usage edge, being clearly dominant in page views. I have not seen anyone debate the apparent usage edge.
Support since clearly the film is now the main topic and has surpassed the musical in terms of notablity and relevance. Also, based on views alone: it is nonsensical to claim that the musical, which has 1/3 of the views of the film, is the clear PRIMARY. Either there is no PRIMARy, or the film is PRIMARY, but definitely not the musical. Eccekevin (talk) 00:16, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The film has no particular significance apart from being the only film of the musical to date. If we were to move as proposed, we'll just be moving it back as other film versions are inevitably made. Andrewa (talk) 09:11, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Say what? No particular significance....other than being the highest-grossing film of all time for five years, 5 Academy Awards including Best Picture, selected by the Library of Congress for preservation as culturally significant...?!? And I guess we're still waiting for the "inevitable" remake that will automatically be more significant somehow - 55 years later...? This feels like a troll !vote, but I know Andrewa is usually a thoughtful editor, so I'll give them a pass and just scratch my head. Dohn joe (talk) 17:03, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely ludicrous to say it has no particular significance. Not only is it one of the most popular movies of all time, and the highest grossing movie in history when it came out, but it is much more popular than the musical, also looking at the fact that the page has3x the views (and considering that the musical is the primary page for now, it's likely that many users looking for the movie stumbled on the musical page first). Also, your argument is against policy cause WP:CRYSTALBALL . Eccekevin (talk) 20:21, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Volksoper Wien / Vienna Volksoper

Regarding permanent inactive old link permanently gone (https://www.volksoper.at/production/the-sound-of-music-2005.985410918.en.html) which Internet Archive no longer has archived page (all are HTTP 404 missing)

From that sentence (As of 2021, the production was still in the repertoire of the Volksoper with 12–20 performances per season.), it seemed to me the link the anonymous IP who ONLY add this sentence at Special:Diff/996686974 and another registered user followed up adding old link Special:Diff/997089160 seemed to gave a general view that the group currently giving the performance (as opposed to <Sound of Music> performance ended) - old link (https://www.volksoper.at/production/the-sound-of-music-2005.985410918.en.html) and this active link (https://www.volksoper.at/production/the-sound-of-music-2005.en.html)

--- Cat12zu3 (talk) 06:04, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I added the new link you suggested -- Thank you for finding it. Is that all you were requesting? -- Ssilvers (talk) 06:08, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Just observing only. I just wondered why the link is permanently gone even in supposed Internet Archive or maybe I just usually made an archive right after I add the link. That's all and good night. --- Cat12zu3 (talk) 06:12, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think I know the answer to your question. -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:10, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]